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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/but-it-really-happened-that-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce - Phbbbbblt!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce - Phbbbbblt!  <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Bethke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Bethke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; people who write murder mysteries do not go around murdering people

That you know about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; people who write murder mysteries do not go around murdering people</p>
<p>That you know about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/but-it-really-happened-that-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1840</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - Good to see you again. Most writers use bits and pieces of reality that way, but it's sort of like building things out of Legos - the end result doesn't have to have any resemblance, in toto, to what the writer took apart to get the bits and pieces. I think some of these folks confuse "make your writing &lt;em&gt;seem&lt;/em&gt; real" with "your writing has to &lt;em&gt;be&lt;/em&gt; real"...but they don't ever verbalize it, so they don't realize consciously what a problem they're making for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill - Good to see you again. Most writers use bits and pieces of reality that way, but it&#8217;s sort of like building things out of Legos - the end result doesn&#8217;t have to have any resemblance, in toto, to what the writer took apart to get the bits and pieces. I think some of these folks confuse &#8220;make your writing <em>seem</em> real&#8221; with &#8220;your writing has to <em>be</em> real&#8221;&#8230;but they don&#8217;t ever verbalize it, so they don&#8217;t realize consciously what a problem they&#8217;re making for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Swears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Swears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use a certain small amount of my real life in all of my writing, and it seems to help readers connect to my characters.  But it's generally prosaic stuff, like a setting where a conversation takes place, or the smell of an old Peugeot diesel car driving up into the Cascade range.   I once used my childhood best friend's house as my POV character's home.  My wife recognized it immediately, and I'll bet Gary would also, but I doubt anybody else is likely to think "this is real." 

I hope they don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use a certain small amount of my real life in all of my writing, and it seems to help readers connect to my characters.  But it&#8217;s generally prosaic stuff, like a setting where a conversation takes place, or the smell of an old Peugeot diesel car driving up into the Cascade range.   I once used my childhood best friend&#8217;s house as my POV character&#8217;s home.  My wife recognized it immediately, and I&#8217;ll bet Gary would also, but I doubt anybody else is likely to think &#8220;this is real.&#8221; </p>
<p>I hope they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/but-it-really-happened-that-way/comment-page-1/#comment-1828</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nct2 - What you said.

Sabrina - There's an off-again, on-again argument about the adviseability of using jargon or obscure vocabulary in fiction. On the one hand, it can add a lot of flavor and characterization; on the other, you don't want people to be thrown out of the story. For the rest...well, he's a prime example of Gray's literalist who assumes that as long as it's "real," it'll work. There isn't much one can do about such people; they usually get really cranky if one advises them to be journalists, and they don't usually listen to a simple "this scene doesn't work."

accio_aqualung - It only seems odd until you think about it a little more. If you see someone do something very odd in real life, well, there they are, roller-skating down the middle of the highway in a clown suit and antlers. It's weird, but it's hard not to believe it when you saw it yourself (or if enough other people tell you they saw it). It's real, and that's all there is to it.

Fiction starts with a handicap in this regard - everyone reading it knows that it's a made-up story. We just all agree that for the length of the story, we'll pretend that it's real...but that temporary, willing suspension-of-disbelief is a lot easier to break than the ongoing belief in whatever-is-real that most of us have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nct2 - What you said.</p>
<p>Sabrina - There&#8217;s an off-again, on-again argument about the adviseability of using jargon or obscure vocabulary in fiction. On the one hand, it can add a lot of flavor and characterization; on the other, you don&#8217;t want people to be thrown out of the story. For the rest&#8230;well, he&#8217;s a prime example of Gray&#8217;s literalist who assumes that as long as it&#8217;s &#8220;real,&#8221; it&#8217;ll work. There isn&#8217;t much one can do about such people; they usually get really cranky if one advises them to be journalists, and they don&#8217;t usually listen to a simple &#8220;this scene doesn&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p>
<p>accio_aqualung - It only seems odd until you think about it a little more. If you see someone do something very odd in real life, well, there they are, roller-skating down the middle of the highway in a clown suit and antlers. It&#8217;s weird, but it&#8217;s hard not to believe it when you saw it yourself (or if enough other people tell you they saw it). It&#8217;s real, and that&#8217;s all there is to it.</p>
<p>Fiction starts with a handicap in this regard - everyone reading it knows that it&#8217;s a made-up story. We just all agree that for the length of the story, we&#8217;ll pretend that it&#8217;s real&#8230;but that temporary, willing suspension-of-disbelief is a lot easier to break than the ongoing belief in whatever-is-real that most of us have.</p>
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		<title>By: accio_aqualung</title>
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		<dc:creator>accio_aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's interesting that everything has to make sense in fiction, where dragons and faeries exist, while in the real world, anything goes, even though we have stuff like physics to keep everything in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that everything has to make sense in fiction, where dragons and faeries exist, while in the real world, anything goes, even though we have stuff like physics to keep everything in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago, I met one person who was like this. Once he included a piece of jargon for the way roads slope down from the middle (the "crown" of the street, maybe?), but most of us weren't familiar and it threw us out of the story. It wasn't enough that the term was correct. 

In another story, the POV character got drunk and did something kind of stupid and gross, for no reason. The only answer we received when we asked why was, "But it actually happened!" He didn't seem to want to accept that it didn't matter. The scene didn't work in a fiction story, it wasn't believable.

I was sort of thrown at the time, that he was so adamant about the truthfulness, regardless of whether it made for a good story. He clung to that excuse rather than change the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I met one person who was like this. Once he included a piece of jargon for the way roads slope down from the middle (the &#8220;crown&#8221; of the street, maybe?), but most of us weren&#8217;t familiar and it threw us out of the story. It wasn&#8217;t enough that the term was correct. </p>
<p>In another story, the POV character got drunk and did something kind of stupid and gross, for no reason. The only answer we received when we asked why was, &#8220;But it actually happened!&#8221; He didn&#8217;t seem to want to accept that it didn&#8217;t matter. The scene didn&#8217;t work in a fiction story, it wasn&#8217;t believable.</p>
<p>I was sort of thrown at the time, that he was so adamant about the truthfulness, regardless of whether it made for a good story. He clung to that excuse rather than change the story.</p>
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		<title>By: nct2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personal experience is not always the most accurate representation.  If you've lived through, say, an earthquake, you will know what's happening in the room you're in, but very little about what's happening elsewhere.

Author David Weber said that sometimes in military history it's more useful to have studied an event than to have lived it.  If someone has lived an event, they know what happened in their area, and what they think happened elsewhere, which may or may not be accurate. They're less likely to step back and look at other viewpoints.

Regarding "write what you know," he says,
"You have to write about something that you have wrapped your own mind firmly around, however you got there to do the wrapping in the first place.  And hopefully it will be something that you've managed to wrap your mind around accurately."  He continues that he's never been a female starship commander, but one of his main characters is exactly that.

(taken from "An Interview with David Weber," part 3)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal experience is not always the most accurate representation.  If you&#8217;ve lived through, say, an earthquake, you will know what&#8217;s happening in the room you&#8217;re in, but very little about what&#8217;s happening elsewhere.</p>
<p>Author David Weber said that sometimes in military history it&#8217;s more useful to have studied an event than to have lived it.  If someone has lived an event, they know what happened in their area, and what they think happened elsewhere, which may or may not be accurate. They&#8217;re less likely to step back and look at other viewpoints.</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;write what you know,&#8221; he says,<br />
&#8220;You have to write about something that you have wrapped your own mind firmly around, however you got there to do the wrapping in the first place.  And hopefully it will be something that you&#8217;ve managed to wrap your mind around accurately.&#8221;  He continues that he&#8217;s never been a female starship commander, but one of his main characters is exactly that.</p>
<p>(taken from &#8220;An Interview with David Weber,&#8221; part 3)</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicoy - The other useful option is to find someone who HAS done some sailing to read it over and see if you've messed anything up. But yeah, in most cases library research will get you as far as you need.

Emily - That's one of my problems with how-to-write classes and books - many, if not most, of them insist that their way is the One True Way, that nothing else will work, or even just that nothing else will work &lt;em&gt;as well&lt;/em&gt;, when in fact there are dozens and hundreds of ways that work equally well (many of which will work much better than whatever the teacher is teaching, for some considerable number of students). 

Gray - Yes, some people do better when they have a bit of real-life experience that they can tie to whatever it is they're writing. I like the two sides of your bad penny - that's an extension of the problem that I hadn't made, and certainly another aspect of the difficulty. But I'm beginning to think that the imagination is much like a muscle - if it isn't exercised, it atrophies. It's as if your painter, having seen Tooting Bec Common, cannot make the mental leap to the possibility of the Golden Wood at all, nor even to the Forest of Nottingham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicoy - The other useful option is to find someone who HAS done some sailing to read it over and see if you&#8217;ve messed anything up. But yeah, in most cases library research will get you as far as you need.</p>
<p>Emily - That&#8217;s one of my problems with how-to-write classes and books - many, if not most, of them insist that their way is the One True Way, that nothing else will work, or even just that nothing else will work <em>as well</em>, when in fact there are dozens and hundreds of ways that work equally well (many of which will work much better than whatever the teacher is teaching, for some considerable number of students). </p>
<p>Gray - Yes, some people do better when they have a bit of real-life experience that they can tie to whatever it is they&#8217;re writing. I like the two sides of your bad penny - that&#8217;s an extension of the problem that I hadn&#8217;t made, and certainly another aspect of the difficulty. But I&#8217;m beginning to think that the imagination is much like a muscle - if it isn&#8217;t exercised, it atrophies. It&#8217;s as if your painter, having seen Tooting Bec Common, cannot make the mental leap to the possibility of the Golden Wood at all, nor even to the Forest of Nottingham.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd have a hard time persuading any reader of some of the weird (and pointless) coincidences that keep cropping up in my life. The fact that my kids' new friend turned out to be our financial advisor's son might work, but how do you persuade anyone that a book that belonged to your father-in-law as a child crossed the country from Ohio to California to wind up in your father's hands when *he* was young?

Sometimes you have to make things up. It's the only way to make the story make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have a hard time persuading any reader of some of the weird (and pointless) coincidences that keep cropping up in my life. The fact that my kids&#8217; new friend turned out to be our financial advisor&#8217;s son might work, but how do you persuade anyone that a book that belonged to your father-in-law as a child crossed the country from Ohio to California to wind up in your father&#8217;s hands when *he* was young?</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to make things up. It&#8217;s the only way to make the story make sense.</p>
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