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	<title>Comments on: Collaborating, Part 1</title>
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	<description>Patricia C. Wrede talks about writing</description>
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		<title>By: Louis Robinson</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/collaborating-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5021</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 03:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite possible that Virginia doesn&#039;t have any other stories to tell. I suspect that she only thinks she doesn&#039;t - i was [virtually] watching when she was frog-marched up onto the authors&#039; podium. Insisting the whole time that she was an academic who wasn&#039;t _able_ to write fiction. Given how deeply she&#039;s involved in the 1632 project, it&#039;s true she may never branch out on her own, but now that she&#039;s turned loose her inner author I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if something completely original came bubbling to the surface and was published in the next few years.

Anyway, the point is that her career isn&#039;t typical - nor is 1632 at all typical of what Ms Wrede has been talking about. You should look at what you&#039;re doing as following the _old_ career model: showing you can write publishable material by coming up through the magazines, then getting a book publisher to take a whirl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite possible that Virginia doesn&#8217;t have any other stories to tell. I suspect that she only thinks she doesn&#8217;t &#8211; i was [virtually] watching when she was frog-marched up onto the authors&#8217; podium. Insisting the whole time that she was an academic who wasn&#8217;t _able_ to write fiction. Given how deeply she&#8217;s involved in the 1632 project, it&#8217;s true she may never branch out on her own, but now that she&#8217;s turned loose her inner author I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if something completely original came bubbling to the surface and was published in the next few years.</p>
<p>Anyway, the point is that her career isn&#8217;t typical &#8211; nor is 1632 at all typical of what Ms Wrede has been talking about. You should look at what you&#8217;re doing as following the _old_ career model: showing you can write publishable material by coming up through the magazines, then getting a book publisher to take a whirl.</p>
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		<title>By: ABeth</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/collaborating-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5019</link>
		<dc:creator>ABeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;(Caroline is the sort of writer who &lt;b&gt;cannot&lt;/b&gt; discuss her work in advance of writing it without killing it)&lt;/I&gt;

AHHHH! I AM NOT ALONE!!!!!!

Ahem. Sorry. It&#039;s just nice to have validation about one&#039;s own style now and then.


(Also, I agree, J.P. Shove that bit of backbrain into a corner and tell it to stop being afraid of success. Also, CONGRATS!)</description>
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<p>AHHHH! I AM NOT ALONE!!!!!!</p>
<p>Ahem. Sorry. It&#8217;s just nice to have validation about one&#8217;s own style now and then.</p>
<p>(Also, I agree, J.P. Shove that bit of backbrain into a corner and tell it to stop being afraid of success. Also, CONGRATS!)</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/collaborating-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5018</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 21:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.P. - Tell that bit of your backbrain to sit down and shut up. And then enjoy being published and getting paid. (And perhaps pay some attention to the series of posts I&#039;ll be starting Wednesday...)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.P. &#8211; Tell that bit of your backbrain to sit down and shut up. And then enjoy being published and getting paid. (And perhaps pay some attention to the series of posts I&#8217;ll be starting Wednesday&#8230;)  <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/collaborating-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5017</link>
		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad to hear that. I have paid short story publication scheduled for this month on Baen&#039;s website, and I was offered a paid opportunity to write for an anthology. I am doing it. I am delighted. And yet, my back brain was trying to come up with reasons why this must secretly somehow be really bad, because surely entries into publishing are for other people and not for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad to hear that. I have paid short story publication scheduled for this month on Baen&#8217;s website, and I was offered a paid opportunity to write for an anthology. I am doing it. I am delighted. And yet, my back brain was trying to come up with reasons why this must secretly somehow be really bad, because surely entries into publishing are for other people and not for me.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.P. - I can&#039;t speak to your specific examples; all I can do is speculate. Writing a collaboration is nearly as much work, and takes nearly as much time, as writing a solo project. A writer who&#039;s having fun and making money writing a collaborative SERIES is very likely not to have time for anything else, unless they&#039;re one of those really fast folks who can write two or three books per year without any problem. I wouldn&#039;t expect a writer with Ms. DeMarce&#039;s track record to have problems selling her solo work, but I wouldn&#039;t be at all surprised to hear that she&#039;s currently having difficulty finding time to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.P. &#8211; I can&#8217;t speak to your specific examples; all I can do is speculate. Writing a collaboration is nearly as much work, and takes nearly as much time, as writing a solo project. A writer who&#8217;s having fun and making money writing a collaborative SERIES is very likely not to have time for anything else, unless they&#8217;re one of those really fast folks who can write two or three books per year without any problem. I wouldn&#8217;t expect a writer with Ms. DeMarce&#8217;s track record to have problems selling her solo work, but I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised to hear that she&#8217;s currently having difficulty finding time to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patricia - I know this is really rare and amazingly lucky. I am not asking about the totally unpublished scenario. I am asking about when Baen has new writers publish in anthology collections a few times and then write with the main author as Eric Flint appears to have done with Virginia DeMarce.  Ms. DeMarce has five books this way, which I enjoyed. I have seen nothing by her outside that universe, however. I was wondering if the nature of her entry in publishing is preventing her from publishing anything that is solo written and also outside of that world.  What do you (or others) think? I don&#039;t know her and have not seen her at any conventions to just ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia &#8211; I know this is really rare and amazingly lucky. I am not asking about the totally unpublished scenario. I am asking about when Baen has new writers publish in anthology collections a few times and then write with the main author as Eric Flint appears to have done with Virginia DeMarce.  Ms. DeMarce has five books this way, which I enjoyed. I have seen nothing by her outside that universe, however. I was wondering if the nature of her entry in publishing is preventing her from publishing anything that is solo written and also outside of that world.  What do you (or others) think? I don&#8217;t know her and have not seen her at any conventions to just ask.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara - That&#039;s exactly how the best collaborations work. And good luck!

Tiana - Defining what&#039;s &quot;a better writer&quot; is pretty tricky. I&#039;ve worked with writers who were both more and less experienced than I am, and with writers who were significantly stronger or weaker in one particular area than I was in that area. It made a bit of difference in terms of the way the mechanics of the collaboration worked - if both writers were at the same level and we disagreed, the discussion about what to do was usually longer, whereas if one writer was stronger or more expeirienced in a particular area, the less-strong writer often (not always) accepted the stronger writer&#039;s argument sooner - but there wasn&#039;t really any difference in whether the collaboration worked at all. It&#039;s more about trust than it is about ability.

J.P. - If you are a completely unpublished writer, you are not going to persuade a publisher to match you up with an established author. Publishers only do this for authors they&#039;re already publishing, authors they want to give a boost to (and apart from Baen, most of them don&#039;t do so very often). If you are good friends with a published writer and you come up with something that fits the &quot;fun quotient,&quot; it&#039;s possible, but if you&#039;re looking at it as a boost into publication, it&#039;s unlikely to work (and you&#039;re highly unlikely to persuade a published writer, even a good friend, to do this UNLESS they&#039;re going to have big fun. As Louis said, the money isn&#039;t very good, and besides the fun, there&#039;s not much in it for the more experienced writer).

Louis - What you said. Which is why &quot;is it fun?&quot; is really the most important question about any collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara &#8211; That&#8217;s exactly how the best collaborations work. And good luck!</p>
<p>Tiana &#8211; Defining what&#8217;s &#8220;a better writer&#8221; is pretty tricky. I&#8217;ve worked with writers who were both more and less experienced than I am, and with writers who were significantly stronger or weaker in one particular area than I was in that area. It made a bit of difference in terms of the way the mechanics of the collaboration worked &#8211; if both writers were at the same level and we disagreed, the discussion about what to do was usually longer, whereas if one writer was stronger or more expeirienced in a particular area, the less-strong writer often (not always) accepted the stronger writer&#8217;s argument sooner &#8211; but there wasn&#8217;t really any difference in whether the collaboration worked at all. It&#8217;s more about trust than it is about ability.</p>
<p>J.P. &#8211; If you are a completely unpublished writer, you are not going to persuade a publisher to match you up with an established author. Publishers only do this for authors they&#8217;re already publishing, authors they want to give a boost to (and apart from Baen, most of them don&#8217;t do so very often). If you are good friends with a published writer and you come up with something that fits the &#8220;fun quotient,&#8221; it&#8217;s possible, but if you&#8217;re looking at it as a boost into publication, it&#8217;s unlikely to work (and you&#8217;re highly unlikely to persuade a published writer, even a good friend, to do this UNLESS they&#8217;re going to have big fun. As Louis said, the money isn&#8217;t very good, and besides the fun, there&#8217;s not much in it for the more experienced writer).</p>
<p>Louis &#8211; What you said. Which is why &#8220;is it fun?&#8221; is really the most important question about any collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP:

Well, I paid no attention at all to Misty Lackey until she did The Elvenbane with Andre Norton. Baen routinely pairs newbies with front-list writers, and the junior partners generally say it&#039;s more than worth it both for the recognition and the education. The pay, OTOH, isn&#039;t wonderful, since the royalties are split between them, so it&#039;s not something they want to do too much of. Also, when I did pick up on Misty, I realised that her name was also on the only one of the Brainship books that I&#039;d actually enjoyed - but I had promptly forgotten her, so that one didn&#039;t work out all that well for her.

So, I guess, the answer is, as always, &#039;it depends&#039;</description>
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<p>Well, I paid no attention at all to Misty Lackey until she did The Elvenbane with Andre Norton. Baen routinely pairs newbies with front-list writers, and the junior partners generally say it&#8217;s more than worth it both for the recognition and the education. The pay, OTOH, isn&#8217;t wonderful, since the royalties are split between them, so it&#8217;s not something they want to do too much of. Also, when I did pick up on Misty, I realised that her name was also on the only one of the Brainship books that I&#8217;d actually enjoyed &#8211; but I had promptly forgotten her, so that one didn&#8217;t work out all that well for her.</p>
<p>So, I guess, the answer is, as always, &#8216;it depends&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am referring to commercial collaboration where the publisher pairs an established author with a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am referring to commercial collaboration where the publisher pairs an established author with a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: J.P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts on whether it is a good or a bad thing for a new author to start out as a collaborator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts on whether it is a good or a bad thing for a new author to start out as a collaborator?</p>
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