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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Dorothy Heydt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy Heydt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 17:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At random:

First-person can be used in a very sneaky fashion if the writer is skillful enough.  Consider Agatha Christie&#039;s _The Murder of Roger Ackroyd,_ which is told in first-person, observing Poirot as he investigates the murder; told in first-person, I say by the murderer who never lets on until Poirot has fingered him, whereupon he Tell All in a suicide note.  Christie glossed over the narrator&#039;s selective omissions so gracefully that nobody noticed till the end, and then storms of criticism were raised.  Lawrence Block did the same thing with one of her &quot;Burglar&quot; novels, I forget which one.

I am told that the convention for generic romance novels (Harlequin, e.g.) is that they must ALWAYS be in third-person, never in first, &quot;so the reader can identify with the heroine.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At random:</p>
<p>First-person can be used in a very sneaky fashion if the writer is skillful enough.  Consider Agatha Christie&#8217;s _The Murder of Roger Ackroyd,_ which is told in first-person, observing Poirot as he investigates the murder; told in first-person, I say by the murderer who never lets on until Poirot has fingered him, whereupon he Tell All in a suicide note.  Christie glossed over the narrator&#8217;s selective omissions so gracefully that nobody noticed till the end, and then storms of criticism were raised.  Lawrence Block did the same thing with one of her &#8220;Burglar&#8221; novels, I forget which one.</p>
<p>I am told that the convention for generic romance novels (Harlequin, e.g.) is that they must ALWAYS be in third-person, never in first, &#8220;so the reader can identify with the heroine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not really an internal monologuist, and I often write short, minimalistic, head hopping narratives of perception and misunderstanding.  Then I get caught up in a world and spend hours on description and action and furniture design.  I think first person is good for me, because you&#039;re restricted to the character.  I can only describe what she notices, only dramatize the actions she sees, and only recognize the furniture she recognizes. And if I go on a ramble, she&#039;ll let me know she&#039;s getting bored.

What I find challenging about 1st person is that it&#039;s harder to get away with beautiful sentences.  If I&#039;m really in the character&#039;s head, and she&#039;s really a very pragmantic person, I feel restrained, and the writing ends up being very basic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not really an internal monologuist, and I often write short, minimalistic, head hopping narratives of perception and misunderstanding.  Then I get caught up in a world and spend hours on description and action and furniture design.  I think first person is good for me, because you&#8217;re restricted to the character.  I can only describe what she notices, only dramatize the actions she sees, and only recognize the furniture she recognizes. And if I go on a ramble, she&#8217;ll let me know she&#8217;s getting bored.</p>
<p>What I find challenging about 1st person is that it&#8217;s harder to get away with beautiful sentences.  If I&#8217;m really in the character&#8217;s head, and she&#8217;s really a very pragmantic person, I feel restrained, and the writing ends up being very basic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Jaenii (J.M. Ney-Grimm)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaenii (J.M. Ney-Grimm)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, wow!

&quot;If, however, you are predisposed to writing internal monologue even in third-person, you may find that first-person encourages this tendency to an unfortunate extreme, and you may not want to try it until you’ve brought your description and narration skills up to the same level.&quot;

Raising my hand!

I&#039;ve been writing using tight third person, mainly because, as a reader, that&#039;s my favorite.

One thing I&#039;ve noticed, as a reader, is that the degree of tightness of the third person seems to have a little flex in it. Sometimes the focus is very tight indeed, limited completely by the POV character&#039;s limitations. Other times, the focus pulls back a little and gives the reader a stronger awareness of what is happening for other characters in the scene. It usually includes information that the POV character probably does know or realize, but the information is presented in more of a third person omniscient way.

That works for me as a reader. It does not disturb me. But I&#039;m wondering if I should avoid that flex when I myself am writing. I&#039;d love to know your thoughts on that issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, wow!</p>
<p>&#8220;If, however, you are predisposed to writing internal monologue even in third-person, you may find that first-person encourages this tendency to an unfortunate extreme, and you may not want to try it until you’ve brought your description and narration skills up to the same level.&#8221;</p>
<p>Raising my hand!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been writing using tight third person, mainly because, as a reader, that&#8217;s my favorite.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve noticed, as a reader, is that the degree of tightness of the third person seems to have a little flex in it. Sometimes the focus is very tight indeed, limited completely by the POV character&#8217;s limitations. Other times, the focus pulls back a little and gives the reader a stronger awareness of what is happening for other characters in the scene. It usually includes information that the POV character probably does know or realize, but the information is presented in more of a third person omniscient way.</p>
<p>That works for me as a reader. It does not disturb me. But I&#8217;m wondering if I should avoid that flex when I myself am writing. I&#8217;d love to know your thoughts on that issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Sarah Wynde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Wynde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a main character who&#039;s a high-school drop-out. In revisions, I got so frustrated at trying to make her vocabulary more hers, less mine, that I added in some hints about how she reads a lot, just so I could stop worrying about some of the language. But I really enjoyed thinking about the things she might and might not know when it came to description -- impressionist painters? french furniture styles? names of fabric? I think after plotting, working on voice might be my favorite part of writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a main character who&#8217;s a high-school drop-out. In revisions, I got so frustrated at trying to make her vocabulary more hers, less mine, that I added in some hints about how she reads a lot, just so I could stop worrying about some of the language. But I really enjoyed thinking about the things she might and might not know when it came to description &#8212; impressionist painters? french furniture styles? names of fabric? I think after plotting, working on voice might be my favorite part of writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those writers who tends toward a LOT of internal dialogue, even in third person ... so first person is a dangerous path for me. I realized that I write such a tight limited-view third person narrative that I was once able to switch a book from first to third without having to alter anything except the pronouns. Which is why I&#039;ve been working on multiple-viewpoint stories ever since.

My biggest complaint against first person narrative is that it is used so, so frequently (in YA, at least), and I get sick of it after a while. When I start begging for omniscient POV, that&#039;s when I know I&#039;ve had too much first person POV!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those writers who tends toward a LOT of internal dialogue, even in third person &#8230; so first person is a dangerous path for me. I realized that I write such a tight limited-view third person narrative that I was once able to switch a book from first to third without having to alter anything except the pronouns. Which is why I&#8217;ve been working on multiple-viewpoint stories ever since.</p>
<p>My biggest complaint against first person narrative is that it is used so, so frequently (in YA, at least), and I get sick of it after a while. When I start begging for omniscient POV, that&#8217;s when I know I&#8217;ve had too much first person POV!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about first person by Tiana Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiana Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book I&#039;m writing now is in first person, though I&#039;d like to think I&#039;m avoiding the common mistakes. All my previous books were in 3rd person, and I&#039;ve found that this really helps me get the voice of the main character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book I&#8217;m writing now is in first person, though I&#8217;d like to think I&#8217;m avoiding the common mistakes. All my previous books were in 3rd person, and I&#8217;ve found that this really helps me get the voice of the main character.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trying to Improve by Jaenii (J.M. Ney-Grimm)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaenii (J.M. Ney-Grimm)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 03:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My WIP feels stretchy. (Great term! Thank you!)

I like stories with a strong internal story arc, but I feel more confident when there is plenty of external action as well.

My WIP doesn&#039;t have lots of flashy action scenes. I debated whether to start it . . . or start something else.

Finally I decided that my dialogue, interpersonal relations between characters, and protag wrestling with inner demons could all use work, and the stretchy choice would give me that.

I feel really good about how the writing is going. I&#039;m just past the halfway point. But I must confess to some nervousness about what my first reader will think. She has really liked my earlier stories that combine outer adventures with internal reactions to the adventures. WIP has some outer adventures (but not flashy ones) and lots of inner adventures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My WIP feels stretchy. (Great term! Thank you!)</p>
<p>I like stories with a strong internal story arc, but I feel more confident when there is plenty of external action as well.</p>
<p>My WIP doesn&#8217;t have lots of flashy action scenes. I debated whether to start it . . . or start something else.</p>
<p>Finally I decided that my dialogue, interpersonal relations between characters, and protag wrestling with inner demons could all use work, and the stretchy choice would give me that.</p>
<p>I feel really good about how the writing is going. I&#8217;m just past the halfway point. But I must confess to some nervousness about what my first reader will think. She has really liked my earlier stories that combine outer adventures with internal reactions to the adventures. WIP has some outer adventures (but not flashy ones) and lots of inner adventures.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Selling the first one by KJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 15:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going through the fire of agent rejects on my first book right now. I am finding two types of response.

a) Those that shoot a reply back in the first few days and give a comment such as &quot;Not what I am looking for right now&quot;, to &quot;I&#039;ll pass on this but thanks for the look.&quot; These good people are in the minority.

b) Do not bother to respond ever!

For that reason I am just sending out queries across the board. The majority of agents want it all their way. &quot;Give us your query excluding all others and we will not bother to advise when we cannot use it.&quot; Ignorant and selfish to say the least and I for one am not playing. Note, I am not looking for feedback, just a reply, such a lot to ask for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going through the fire of agent rejects on my first book right now. I am finding two types of response.</p>
<p>a) Those that shoot a reply back in the first few days and give a comment such as &#8220;Not what I am looking for right now&#8221;, to &#8220;I&#8217;ll pass on this but thanks for the look.&#8221; These good people are in the minority.</p>
<p>b) Do not bother to respond ever!</p>
<p>For that reason I am just sending out queries across the board. The majority of agents want it all their way. &#8220;Give us your query excluding all others and we will not bother to advise when we cannot use it.&#8221; Ignorant and selfish to say the least and I for one am not playing. Note, I am not looking for feedback, just a reply, such a lot to ask for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Trying to Improve by Tiana Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiana Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 14:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to practice new things as I&#039;m writing, rather than in writing exercises. But, I&#039;m not published, so I probably have more freedom in doing that. I&#039;m guessing that once I get published, I&#039;ll probably do the same thing though, since old habits are hard to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to practice new things as I&#8217;m writing, rather than in writing exercises. But, I&#8217;m not published, so I probably have more freedom in doing that. I&#8217;m guessing that once I get published, I&#8217;ll probably do the same thing though, since old habits are hard to break.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Daily Life by Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 05:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have described any given weekend in my life!  Minus the uprooting of the laundry, of course.  Every weekend at my house sees several loads of laundry done, interspersed with some serious dishwashing, occasional ironing and even the odd button sewn on here and there.  Sometimes, while I&#039;m dusting the laptop (instead of sitting in front of it, writing), I&#039;ll wonder if I&#039;m making the right choices in my weekend occupations.  Soon enough, a whole weekend has zoomed past and I&#039;ve managed to make myself feel productive all without writing a single word.

Argh.

So thank-you for sharing this, because now I know it&#039;s possible to focus my productivity in the correct direction with just a bit of self-discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have described any given weekend in my life!  Minus the uprooting of the laundry, of course.  Every weekend at my house sees several loads of laundry done, interspersed with some serious dishwashing, occasional ironing and even the odd button sewn on here and there.  Sometimes, while I&#8217;m dusting the laptop (instead of sitting in front of it, writing), I&#8217;ll wonder if I&#8217;m making the right choices in my weekend occupations.  Soon enough, a whole weekend has zoomed past and I&#8217;ve managed to make myself feel productive all without writing a single word.</p>
<p>Argh.</p>
<p>So thank-you for sharing this, because now I know it&#8217;s possible to focus my productivity in the correct direction with just a bit of self-discipline.</p>
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