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	<description>Patricia C. Wrede talks about writing</description>
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		<title>By: Aine Greaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aine Greaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 03:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I&#039;m with you. I think we do make time for the things we love and which sustain our lives. I believe that we also have to be ready to examine what&#039;s important and be equally ready to shed some other commitments if need be. My day job suffers when I don&#039;t do some creative writing. I feel un-centered and cranky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I&#8217;m with you. I think we do make time for the things we love and which sustain our lives. I believe that we also have to be ready to examine what&#8217;s important and be equally ready to shed some other commitments if need be. My day job suffers when I don&#8217;t do some creative writing. I feel un-centered and cranky.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - Thanks for the encouraging words. And as Lois is one of my all time favorite writers (and an influence on my current work), I&#039;ll take that as encouragement. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; Thanks for the encouraging words. And as Lois is one of my all time favorite writers (and an influence on my current work), I&#8217;ll take that as encouragement. <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1893</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray - The mantra that I learned in b-school was &quot;90% of publicity is worthless, but we don&#039;t know &lt;em&gt;which&lt;/em&gt; 90%, so we have to do it all.&quot; I don&#039;t actually do it all, but I do far less than many others. I&#039;d scrap all of it if I could, but there are reasons other than financial return to do most of what I do.

Lois - It&#039;s not just the publicity load that has expanded enormously, it&#039;s also the opportunity and ability for those with minimal knowledge and publicity skills to jump into the arena has expanded. The Internet makes it easy to trade ideas, provides tons of new ways to &quot;get exposure,&quot; and allows writers to produce things from bookmarks to mugs and T-shirts relatively easily...and many, many of them do. When I was getting started, a lot of the same conventional wisdom about publicity was around (i.e., the writer has to do it or it doesn&#039;t happen), but you had to work a little to even find out that other writers thought they had to go talk to the truck drivers or ID buyers, or make up bookmarks or other giveaways...and all those things were much harder to do.

nct2 - It&#039;s not quitting your day job that&#039;s the key turning point; it&#039;s selling your first novel. As Lois said, the work load grows as the number of novels you have out grows, but if you have anything at all on bookstore shelves or on offer to the public for money, everything else applies, whether or not you have a traditional day job. Fan mail doesn&#039;t usually get to be a big deal until a) you&#039;ve been around and visible for ten or fifteen years (whether as published writer or as Internet blogger building a fan base), b) you have a big hit, or c) you write fiction for children or teens. You have a certain amount of control over much of it - for instance, if you and your agent don&#039;t actively market foreign rights, you&#039;re not likely to get many inquiries unless you have a hit - but a lot of it will happen eventually if you keep at this, even if you try to duck it. Quitting the traditional day job is what you do when managing your writing career while actually writing becomes more than you have time for (or at least, that&#039;s how I did it).

Dan - I have known very few writers who could work a writing-related day job and still come home at the end of every day and get more writing done. The notes-on-weekdays, write-on-weekends method has worked for a number of people I know, so let me just add that it not only can be done, it can be done with great success (Hi, Lois!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray &#8211; The mantra that I learned in b-school was &#8220;90% of publicity is worthless, but we don&#8217;t know <em>which</em> 90%, so we have to do it all.&#8221; I don&#8217;t actually do it all, but I do far less than many others. I&#8217;d scrap all of it if I could, but there are reasons other than financial return to do most of what I do.</p>
<p>Lois &#8211; It&#8217;s not just the publicity load that has expanded enormously, it&#8217;s also the opportunity and ability for those with minimal knowledge and publicity skills to jump into the arena has expanded. The Internet makes it easy to trade ideas, provides tons of new ways to &#8220;get exposure,&#8221; and allows writers to produce things from bookmarks to mugs and T-shirts relatively easily&#8230;and many, many of them do. When I was getting started, a lot of the same conventional wisdom about publicity was around (i.e., the writer has to do it or it doesn&#8217;t happen), but you had to work a little to even find out that other writers thought they had to go talk to the truck drivers or ID buyers, or make up bookmarks or other giveaways&#8230;and all those things were much harder to do.</p>
<p>nct2 &#8211; It&#8217;s not quitting your day job that&#8217;s the key turning point; it&#8217;s selling your first novel. As Lois said, the work load grows as the number of novels you have out grows, but if you have anything at all on bookstore shelves or on offer to the public for money, everything else applies, whether or not you have a traditional day job. Fan mail doesn&#8217;t usually get to be a big deal until a) you&#8217;ve been around and visible for ten or fifteen years (whether as published writer or as Internet blogger building a fan base), b) you have a big hit, or c) you write fiction for children or teens. You have a certain amount of control over much of it &#8211; for instance, if you and your agent don&#8217;t actively market foreign rights, you&#8217;re not likely to get many inquiries unless you have a hit &#8211; but a lot of it will happen eventually if you keep at this, even if you try to duck it. Quitting the traditional day job is what you do when managing your writing career while actually writing becomes more than you have time for (or at least, that&#8217;s how I did it).</p>
<p>Dan &#8211; I have known very few writers who could work a writing-related day job and still come home at the end of every day and get more writing done. The notes-on-weekdays, write-on-weekends method has worked for a number of people I know, so let me just add that it not only can be done, it can be done with great success (Hi, Lois!).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1890</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m lucky enough to get to write for a living, though not fiction, which is my real passion. At the moment, I mainly have to make do working on my novel on weekends, when I wake up and feel energized. The rest of the week, much of that energy goes into all my daily writing, even though I&#039;m constantly jotting down notes or coming up with ideas to put in one of my books. 

I love to write, but I often end up burned out at the end of the day. It&#039;s tough to come home and relish delving right back into writing again—you can overdose on things you love, after all. I imagine there might be a few professional chefs who get home at the end of the day and can&#039;t stand the idea of cooking another meal. 

It&#039;s frustrating at times, feeling like you&#039;d much rather be working on your own project, but as I do get paid to write every day, I&#039;m pretty fortunate. And, after a year of working almost only exclusively weekends, I&#039;ve almost finished my latest novel. So it can be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m lucky enough to get to write for a living, though not fiction, which is my real passion. At the moment, I mainly have to make do working on my novel on weekends, when I wake up and feel energized. The rest of the week, much of that energy goes into all my daily writing, even though I&#8217;m constantly jotting down notes or coming up with ideas to put in one of my books. </p>
<p>I love to write, but I often end up burned out at the end of the day. It&#8217;s tough to come home and relish delving right back into writing again—you can overdose on things you love, after all. I imagine there might be a few professional chefs who get home at the end of the day and can&#8217;t stand the idea of cooking another meal. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s frustrating at times, feeling like you&#8217;d much rather be working on your own project, but as I do get paid to write every day, I&#8217;m pretty fortunate. And, after a year of working almost only exclusively weekends, I&#8217;ve almost finished my latest novel. So it can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: riz</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>riz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!

I came to this blog via Lois M Bujold&#039;s blog (-which I&#039;ve just seen) and its resonated with some heavy thoughts I&#039;ve been having. 

Its inspired me AND given me a kick up the rear!

ta

riz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!</p>
<p>I came to this blog via Lois M Bujold&#8217;s blog (-which I&#8217;ve just seen) and its resonated with some heavy thoughts I&#8217;ve been having. </p>
<p>Its inspired me AND given me a kick up the rear!</p>
<p>ta</p>
<p>riz</p>
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		<title>By: nct2</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>nct2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of this applies to someone who hasn&#039;t reached the point of quitting their day job yet?

I would imagine that taxes do and fan mail doesn&#039;t, but I&#039;ve no idea about the rest of it.  (Not that I need to worry about any of it any time soon.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of this applies to someone who hasn&#8217;t reached the point of quitting their day job yet?</p>
<p>I would imagine that taxes do and fan mail doesn&#8217;t, but I&#8217;ve no idea about the rest of it.  (Not that I need to worry about any of it any time soon.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Bujold</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Bujold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray@#6

The PR load on writers has expanded hugely since Pat and I started our careers.

The para-writing attention drain also goes up over time, as there are more things going in and out about more titles -- subrights and foreign rights and so on.  Doing things about, say, one&#039;s e-book presence wasn&#039;t even a thought on the (in my case, quite limited) horizon back when we began.

The being-your-own-boss thing does count, sort of; there are also elements that are more like having dozens of bosses.

For my early books, my involvement was limited to the sending of the manuscripts, checking the galleys, maybe tweaking the cover copy, and then plunging into a news blackout till some months after publication when I would timidly write (snail mail) my editor to find out what was happening with my precious book.  Nothing else.  (Except the tax record-keeping, natch -- less of it, but all done by hand, badly.)

Ta, L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray@#6</p>
<p>The PR load on writers has expanded hugely since Pat and I started our careers.</p>
<p>The para-writing attention drain also goes up over time, as there are more things going in and out about more titles &#8212; subrights and foreign rights and so on.  Doing things about, say, one&#8217;s e-book presence wasn&#8217;t even a thought on the (in my case, quite limited) horizon back when we began.</p>
<p>The being-your-own-boss thing does count, sort of; there are also elements that are more like having dozens of bosses.</p>
<p>For my early books, my involvement was limited to the sending of the manuscripts, checking the galleys, maybe tweaking the cover copy, and then plunging into a news blackout till some months after publication when I would timidly write (snail mail) my editor to find out what was happening with my precious book.  Nothing else.  (Except the tax record-keeping, natch &#8212; less of it, but all done by hand, badly.)</p>
<p>Ta, L.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray Woodland</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray Woodland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you don&#039;t have much more production time than with the day job, and make presumably far less money, I presume your ability to sell and publicize your work have surged greatly to make it worthwhile?  You&#039;ve left the gains from the extra workload somewhat implicit.

For me, another big one would be the simple fact of being my own boss - I took a serious hit in income for that purpose during the dotcom craziness, and even failing as I did to make my fortune, it turned out to be worth every glorious year I could wring out of it.

Go that road again, it&#039;s apt to be with storytelling, and it&#039;ll be hard to go back on it.  There&#039;s long ways still, before I&#039;m set for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you don&#8217;t have much more production time than with the day job, and make presumably far less money, I presume your ability to sell and publicize your work have surged greatly to make it worthwhile?  You&#8217;ve left the gains from the extra workload somewhat implicit.</p>
<p>For me, another big one would be the simple fact of being my own boss &#8211; I took a serious hit in income for that purpose during the dotcom craziness, and even failing as I did to make my fortune, it turned out to be worth every glorious year I could wring out of it.</p>
<p>Go that road again, it&#8217;s apt to be with storytelling, and it&#8217;ll be hard to go back on it.  There&#8217;s long ways still, before I&#8217;m set for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Bottorff</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1882</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Bottorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A six-foot stack of manuscripts won’t earn me any money if they’re sitting in the bottom drawer of my desk...&quot;

You must have an awfully big desk.  &gt;:)

... not that I don&#039;t have a six foot stack of my own, but it fills up three big boxes, not one drawer.

(And yes, I am still trying to get something done with it all.  I spent most of today writing a query letter, in fact.  Bleh.   I will be very glad to get back to actual story writing tomorrow!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A six-foot stack of manuscripts won’t earn me any money if they’re sitting in the bottom drawer of my desk&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You must have an awfully big desk.  &gt;:)</p>
<p>&#8230; not that I don&#8217;t have a six foot stack of my own, but it fills up three big boxes, not one drawer.</p>
<p>(And yes, I am still trying to get something done with it all.  I spent most of today writing a query letter, in fact.  Bleh.   I will be very glad to get back to actual story writing tomorrow!)</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Bujold</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/day-jobs/comment-page-1/#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Bujold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pcw@#3 -- Still less a six-foot stack of manuscript _starts_... ;-)

I always figured that a novel was like a bridge -- no matter how fine, useless until it&#039;s all the way done and reaches the other shore/the end.

Good post!

Ta, L.  (Wading to the waist amongst a bunch of crooked pylons at present.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pcw@#3 &#8212; Still less a six-foot stack of manuscript _starts_&#8230; <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I always figured that a novel was like a bridge &#8212; no matter how fine, useless until it&#8217;s all the way done and reaches the other shore/the end.</p>
<p>Good post!</p>
<p>Ta, L.  (Wading to the waist amongst a bunch of crooked pylons at present.)</p>
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