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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 06:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, now you&#039;ve done it.  The Raven Ring is one of my favorite books ever, and I collect Tarot cards.  I&#039;d always assumed you&#039;d done the sensible thing and only made up the plot-relevant cards.  Now I really want to know what the rest of the deck is (and I&#039;m suddenly debating making my Master&#039;s painting thesis be illustrating the whole thing)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now you&#8217;ve done it.  The Raven Ring is one of my favorite books ever, and I collect Tarot cards.  I&#8217;d always assumed you&#8217;d done the sensible thing and only made up the plot-relevant cards.  Now I really want to know what the rest of the deck is (and I&#8217;m suddenly debating making my Master&#8217;s painting thesis be illustrating the whole thing)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Scannell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn Scannell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 20:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has it occurred to you that the kind of fan letter where they ask for those little world building details is the ultimate compliment to your success in making that world real for them? It&#039;s so real for them that they&#039;re sure you must have filled in all those details, at least for yourself, even though they didn&#039;t make it into the book. 

I&#039;ll beg to disagree about real world settings, at least when you&#039;re dealing with historical ones. I&#039;ve done exactly one bit of historical fiction, and it was an exercise in discovering how little I *really* knew about the period where I&#039;d set it. The details you want in a story for descriptions and so forth don&#039;t make it into the history books. Making up those details is a *lot* easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it occurred to you that the kind of fan letter where they ask for those little world building details is the ultimate compliment to your success in making that world real for them? It&#8217;s so real for them that they&#8217;re sure you must have filled in all those details, at least for yourself, even though they didn&#8217;t make it into the book. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll beg to disagree about real world settings, at least when you&#8217;re dealing with historical ones. I&#8217;ve done exactly one bit of historical fiction, and it was an exercise in discovering how little I *really* knew about the period where I&#8217;d set it. The details you want in a story for descriptions and so forth don&#8217;t make it into the history books. Making up those details is a *lot* easier.</p>
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		<title>By: LizV</title>
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		<dc:creator>LizV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 03:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The first advantage is that they can look up whatever details they need&quot;

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s so much of an advantage.  The internet is a godsend for researching locations one can&#039;t get to in person -- but what does it *smell* like?  Or my particular frustration -- there&#039;s plenty of pictures of famous landmarks, but what does the approach look like?  What&#039;s behind the photographer?  Where are the trash cans?  (I take the world&#039;s most boring vacation photos; yes, I actually have pictures of the trash cans at Brookfield Zoo.  It was a plot point.)

And you know there&#039;ll be some reader who&#039;s been there or done that, who&#039;ll find the one detail that&#039;s Just Not Right.  Frankly, I&#039;m looking forward to finishing the run of current-day novels I&#039;m working on, and getting back to writing science fiction where I can *make stuff up*.  (Given that new ideas in the series keep sprouting faster than I can write, I may be looking forward to that for quite some time to come.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The first advantage is that they can look up whatever details they need&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s so much of an advantage.  The internet is a godsend for researching locations one can&#8217;t get to in person &#8212; but what does it *smell* like?  Or my particular frustration &#8212; there&#8217;s plenty of pictures of famous landmarks, but what does the approach look like?  What&#8217;s behind the photographer?  Where are the trash cans?  (I take the world&#8217;s most boring vacation photos; yes, I actually have pictures of the trash cans at Brookfield Zoo.  It was a plot point.)</p>
<p>And you know there&#8217;ll be some reader who&#8217;s been there or done that, who&#8217;ll find the one detail that&#8217;s Just Not Right.  Frankly, I&#8217;m looking forward to finishing the run of current-day novels I&#8217;m working on, and getting back to writing science fiction where I can *make stuff up*.  (Given that new ideas in the series keep sprouting faster than I can write, I may be looking forward to that for quite some time to come.)</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Bryant and Beth - I ended up spending an hour or so creating all twelve lesser obligations from scratch, because while I&#039;d made comments in the book about the character needing to do X or Y, I don&#039;t believe I&#039;d specifically said that X or Y was one of the Lesser Obligations, or whether it was merely one of a collection of things that fell under one of the headings. (For instance, a reference to a duty to feed one&#039;s guests well would fall under the more general category of hospitality.) Unfortunately, that was pre-word-processor for letters (I had a computer, but it was WAY too much trouble to hook up the printer just for a letter; I still typed all my correspondence the old-fashioned way), so I no longer remember what I came up with.

Katya - That&#039;s how most of us do it, really. The trick is to do enough of it, but not too much...and to know what &quot;enough&quot; and &quot;too much&quot; are &lt;em&gt;for you.&lt;/em&gt;

Mary - But it works the other way, too; you stick in a mutant goldfish for color, and only much later do you realize that it can be used to provide the perfect plot twist (with the added bonus that you don&#039;t have to go back and plant something).

Gray - If you don&#039;t tell the readers things, they make up their own stuff to fill the empty spaces. I&#039;ve occasionally seen real-life examples of this when I don&#039;t want to explain some major life-change, and friends and especially acquaintances begin making comments about their own experiences and finish with remarks like &quot;Well, of course you know that; it&#039;s why you&#039;re doing X, after all.&quot; They&#039;re mostly wrong.

Kate - I&#039;m afraid I have no idea. Obviously, it was some incident in the past that ended badly; probably, it was something that happened before the frame-up, though it may have been something during the time he was spying. Beyond that, I don&#039;t know. If I ever do find out...well, what happens next will depend on how interesting the answer really is. It may be something totally boring that Shoreham is making a bigger deal of than necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Bryant and Beth &#8211; I ended up spending an hour or so creating all twelve lesser obligations from scratch, because while I&#8217;d made comments in the book about the character needing to do X or Y, I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;d specifically said that X or Y was one of the Lesser Obligations, or whether it was merely one of a collection of things that fell under one of the headings. (For instance, a reference to a duty to feed one&#8217;s guests well would fall under the more general category of hospitality.) Unfortunately, that was pre-word-processor for letters (I had a computer, but it was WAY too much trouble to hook up the printer just for a letter; I still typed all my correspondence the old-fashioned way), so I no longer remember what I came up with.</p>
<p>Katya &#8211; That&#8217;s how most of us do it, really. The trick is to do enough of it, but not too much&#8230;and to know what &#8220;enough&#8221; and &#8220;too much&#8221; are <em>for you.</em></p>
<p>Mary &#8211; But it works the other way, too; you stick in a mutant goldfish for color, and only much later do you realize that it can be used to provide the perfect plot twist (with the added bonus that you don&#8217;t have to go back and plant something).</p>
<p>Gray &#8211; If you don&#8217;t tell the readers things, they make up their own stuff to fill the empty spaces. I&#8217;ve occasionally seen real-life examples of this when I don&#8217;t want to explain some major life-change, and friends and especially acquaintances begin making comments about their own experiences and finish with remarks like &#8220;Well, of course you know that; it&#8217;s why you&#8217;re doing X, after all.&#8221; They&#8217;re mostly wrong.</p>
<p>Kate &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid I have no idea. Obviously, it was some incident in the past that ended badly; probably, it was something that happened before the frame-up, though it may have been something during the time he was spying. Beyond that, I don&#8217;t know. If I ever do find out&#8230;well, what happens next will depend on how interesting the answer really is. It may be something totally boring that Shoreham is making a bigger deal of than necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t hate me :-).  But it&#039;s been 12 years since I first read &quot;Mairelon the Magician&quot; and I&#039;m STILL wondering who Jamie was!  (Shoreham was questioning Mairelon about his reasons for bringing Kim along, and he said, &quot;Still trying to make up for Jamie?  No, no, I shouldn&#039;t have mentioned it.&quot;). I&#039;m usually ok with soap-bubble details, but for some reason this one has always bugged me. Please tell me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t hate me <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  But it&#8217;s been 12 years since I first read &#8220;Mairelon the Magician&#8221; and I&#8217;m STILL wondering who Jamie was!  (Shoreham was questioning Mairelon about his reasons for bringing Kim along, and he said, &#8220;Still trying to make up for Jamie?  No, no, I shouldn&#8217;t have mentioned it.&#8221;). I&#8217;m usually ok with soap-bubble details, but for some reason this one has always bugged me. Please tell me!</p>
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		<title>By: Gray Woodland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray Woodland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never-determined matters like your unspecified spare Obligations really leave a tale room to breathe, in my experience.  For the reader too, in a flourishing series.  As the teller, I try not to open the box before I at least &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to look at the quantum cat...

I think a completist fan would find me rather annoying: I remember one of my RPG worlds in which there was exceptionally little solid detail ever created about the founder of the kingdom or the courts of its near neighbours, but quite detailed selections from its holy scriptures, unresolved philosophical disputes, and songs regionally popular after the third or fourth pint.

Premature and needless filling-in was a vice of mine from childhood, and probably still is where I don&#039;t notice it.  Training myself away from it has been great fun, and no little of a liberation. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never-determined matters like your unspecified spare Obligations really leave a tale room to breathe, in my experience.  For the reader too, in a flourishing series.  As the teller, I try not to open the box before I at least <em>want</em> to look at the quantum cat&#8230;</p>
<p>I think a completist fan would find me rather annoying: I remember one of my RPG worlds in which there was exceptionally little solid detail ever created about the founder of the kingdom or the courts of its near neighbours, but quite detailed selections from its holy scriptures, unresolved philosophical disputes, and songs regionally popular after the third or fourth pint.</p>
<p>Premature and needless filling-in was a vice of mine from childhood, and probably still is where I don&#8217;t notice it.  Training myself away from it has been great fun, and no little of a liberation. <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Series can be really annoying because you not only made up Y, you stuck it in some story as local color, and only now do you realize the issue. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Series can be really annoying because you not only made up Y, you stuck it in some story as local color, and only now do you realize the issue. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: David Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These points could be made a contest: prize for the best list.
real-world fiction isn&#039;t always better; there&#039;s lots of nit-pickers out there who&#039;ll grab the smallest detail that you get wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These points could be made a contest: prize for the best list.<br />
real-world fiction isn&#8217;t always better; there&#8217;s lots of nit-pickers out there who&#8217;ll grab the smallest detail that you get wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t imagine sinking forty years into one of the worlds I think up. I do my thinking about my characters/world during bits of time I can&#039;t do anything else, and it&#039;s plenty for the story. Other things I make up while writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t imagine sinking forty years into one of the worlds I think up. I do my thinking about my characters/world during bits of time I can&#8217;t do anything else, and it&#8217;s plenty for the story. Other things I make up while writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 02:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For use in tabletop roleplaying games, there is that wonderful thing known as &quot;Schrödinger&#039;s Plot-Point&quot; -- or, with point-build systems, sometimes &quot;Schrödinger&#039;s Advantage/Disadvantage,&quot; for characters who chose to have a dis/advantage the character doesn&#039;t know from the start.

Basically, it&#039;s a free pass to fill in stuff as needed for the plot. Not all GMs do this, of course -- some hate to &quot;wing it&quot; at all. Others ad-lib entire sessions.

Sounds like it&#039;s roughly the same thing, really, as coming up only with the Obligations that one needs!

(I do admit, I am curious -- did the remaining Lesser Obligations spring to mind, as bits of background sometimes will -- or had the universe been sufficiently &quot;compressed for storage&quot; that unpacking it wasn&#039;t trivial enough to generate &#039;em?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For use in tabletop roleplaying games, there is that wonderful thing known as &#8220;Schrödinger&#8217;s Plot-Point&#8221; &#8212; or, with point-build systems, sometimes &#8220;Schrödinger&#8217;s Advantage/Disadvantage,&#8221; for characters who chose to have a dis/advantage the character doesn&#8217;t know from the start.</p>
<p>Basically, it&#8217;s a free pass to fill in stuff as needed for the plot. Not all GMs do this, of course &#8212; some hate to &#8220;wing it&#8221; at all. Others ad-lib entire sessions.</p>
<p>Sounds like it&#8217;s roughly the same thing, really, as coming up only with the Obligations that one needs!</p>
<p>(I do admit, I am curious &#8212; did the remaining Lesser Obligations spring to mind, as bits of background sometimes will &#8212; or had the universe been sufficiently &#8220;compressed for storage&#8221; that unpacking it wasn&#8217;t trivial enough to generate &#8216;em?)</p>
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