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	<description>Patricia C. Wrede talks about writing</description>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/the-great-wall-of-publishing/comment-page-1/#comment-4038</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothy - You just ordered Book 2, &lt;em&gt;Across the Great Barrier&lt;/em&gt;. I just turned in Book 3, Th&lt;em&gt;e Far West&lt;/em&gt;. The timing is confusing...but wouldn&#039;t it be lovely if it really did work that way? :)

Karen - You&#039;re welcome.

Cindy - It&#039;s not rude to get all the expectations out on the table up front; it is, in fact, good business policy. And the author-agent relationship is a BUSINESS one. It is as well to remind oneself of that periodically. You want to like the people you work with, but if they become your bestest friend ever, it can be exponentially more difficult to express even minor discontents (much less actually firing the person if that ends up being what&#039;s needed). Most of the agents I&#039;ve talked to expect to have a long conversation about this stuff before they take someone on, and it&#039;s useful to talk it over periodically afterward, as situations change and expectations change with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy &#8211; You just ordered Book 2, <em>Across the Great Barrier</em>. I just turned in Book 3, Th<em>e Far West</em>. The timing is confusing&#8230;but wouldn&#8217;t it be lovely if it really did work that way? <img src='http://pcwrede.com/blog/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Karen &#8211; You&#8217;re welcome.</p>
<p>Cindy &#8211; It&#8217;s not rude to get all the expectations out on the table up front; it is, in fact, good business policy. And the author-agent relationship is a BUSINESS one. It is as well to remind oneself of that periodically. You want to like the people you work with, but if they become your bestest friend ever, it can be exponentially more difficult to express even minor discontents (much less actually firing the person if that ends up being what&#8217;s needed). Most of the agents I&#8217;ve talked to expect to have a long conversation about this stuff before they take someone on, and it&#8217;s useful to talk it over periodically afterward, as situations change and expectations change with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this series on agents. It has made me feel a little less crazy for planning the &quot;make a list and start at the top&quot; approach to querying.

If any of us do make it past the first hurdles and get to the point where an agent is deciding whether to take us on, is it considered bad form to ask said agent upfront about her agenting and submission philosophy and/or how she envisions the author-agent relationship developing over the long haul? And can we talk about what we&#039;re hoping for career-wise and what we&#039;re looking for in an agent, or is that considered rude (sort of like we&#039;re putting the cart before the horse)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this series on agents. It has made me feel a little less crazy for planning the &#8220;make a list and start at the top&#8221; approach to querying.</p>
<p>If any of us do make it past the first hurdles and get to the point where an agent is deciding whether to take us on, is it considered bad form to ask said agent upfront about her agenting and submission philosophy and/or how she envisions the author-agent relationship developing over the long haul? And can we talk about what we&#8217;re hoping for career-wise and what we&#8217;re looking for in an agent, or is that considered rude (sort of like we&#8217;re putting the cart before the horse)?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Collum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Collum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Patricia

I really love this post and think it&#039;s such an important thing for us EWBWs to understand. Having the wrong agent can actually be worse than having no agent at all. That&#039;s really hard to keep in the front of my mind but your post made so much sense to me that I think I have a much more solid grounding in reality now. Thanks so much for the insider&#039;s look into the agent/writer partnership.

Regards
Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Patricia</p>
<p>I really love this post and think it&#8217;s such an important thing for us EWBWs to understand. Having the wrong agent can actually be worse than having no agent at all. That&#8217;s really hard to keep in the front of my mind but your post made so much sense to me that I think I have a much more solid grounding in reality now. Thanks so much for the insider&#8217;s look into the agent/writer partnership.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Karen</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Heydt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy Heydt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not really on topic -- though it does have the word &quot;publication&quot; in it.

A couple of days ago I pre-ordered _Beyond the Great Barrier_ from Amazon.com.  I received mail *today* that it had shipped.

Whaaaat?

Surely you only turned in your draft a week or so ago and are waiting for editor&#039;s comments?

(Amazon&#039;s description said, as it&#039;s been saying for months, that the book would be available August 1.  That&#039;s next week.)

Are Amazon off their collective rocker?  Or is it merely that the shipping department doesn&#039;t talk to the order department?  (I&#039;ve worked in offices like that.)

Unless what just shipped is a piece of cardboard saying &quot;Good for one book when the printers deliver it.&quot;  My family has done promissory notes at Christmas for years.

Or the printers use thiotimoline in their ink.</description>
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<p>A couple of days ago I pre-ordered _Beyond the Great Barrier_ from Amazon.com.  I received mail *today* that it had shipped.</p>
<p>Whaaaat?</p>
<p>Surely you only turned in your draft a week or so ago and are waiting for editor&#8217;s comments?</p>
<p>(Amazon&#8217;s description said, as it&#8217;s been saying for months, that the book would be available August 1.  That&#8217;s next week.)</p>
<p>Are Amazon off their collective rocker?  Or is it merely that the shipping department doesn&#8217;t talk to the order department?  (I&#8217;ve worked in offices like that.)</p>
<p>Unless what just shipped is a piece of cardboard saying &#8220;Good for one book when the printers deliver it.&#8221;  My family has done promissory notes at Christmas for years.</p>
<p>Or the printers use thiotimoline in their ink.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes.  I can definitely imagine working with someone whose not right just because I&#039;m too shy to say so.  

I really like your snakebite kit and bug spray analogy.  It really got the point that you need to plan, and you need to know where you&#039;re going across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes.  I can definitely imagine working with someone whose not right just because I&#8217;m too shy to say so.  </p>
<p>I really like your snakebite kit and bug spray analogy.  It really got the point that you need to plan, and you need to know where you&#8217;re going across.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cara - It&#039;s a balancing act. On the one hand, there are, as I&#039;ve just laid out, a whole lot of good reasons to be a bit picky when it comes to finding an agent (or at least, to have a list and start from the top, working your way down, rather than just grabbing your best friend and saying &quot;Hey - ever thought about being an agent?&quot;). On the other hand, it isn&#039;t easy to get someone to take on a totally unknown writer, so when someone says &quot;yes, I&#039;ll be your agent&quot; they are definitely worth looking into, and maybe even thinking twice about even if they weren&#039;t on your short list. Which is why it all starts with knowing what you must have, what you can live with/without, and what you will not put up with under any circumstance whatsoever.

Oh, and it&#039;s a good idea to think a bit about how you&#039;d feel about firing your agent, too. A lot of people, me included, have a hard time firing someone (sometimes to the point of keeping an agent for YEARS longer than they know they should, just to avoid having to give the person the bad news). If this sounds like you, you ABSOLUTELY do not want to take the &quot;I&#039;ll take whoever I can get and then switch agents after a book or two&quot; position. Even if you&#039;re sure you could do it, you want to think about it; it&#039;s harder than you might suspect to deal with someone for months or years and then tell them it&#039;s not working for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cara &#8211; It&#8217;s a balancing act. On the one hand, there are, as I&#8217;ve just laid out, a whole lot of good reasons to be a bit picky when it comes to finding an agent (or at least, to have a list and start from the top, working your way down, rather than just grabbing your best friend and saying &#8220;Hey &#8211; ever thought about being an agent?&#8221;). On the other hand, it isn&#8217;t easy to get someone to take on a totally unknown writer, so when someone says &#8220;yes, I&#8217;ll be your agent&#8221; they are definitely worth looking into, and maybe even thinking twice about even if they weren&#8217;t on your short list. Which is why it all starts with knowing what you must have, what you can live with/without, and what you will not put up with under any circumstance whatsoever.</p>
<p>Oh, and it&#8217;s a good idea to think a bit about how you&#8217;d feel about firing your agent, too. A lot of people, me included, have a hard time firing someone (sometimes to the point of keeping an agent for YEARS longer than they know they should, just to avoid having to give the person the bad news). If this sounds like you, you ABSOLUTELY do not want to take the &#8220;I&#8217;ll take whoever I can get and then switch agents after a book or two&#8221; position. Even if you&#8217;re sure you could do it, you want to think about it; it&#8217;s harder than you might suspect to deal with someone for months or years and then tell them it&#8217;s not working for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very apt metaphor.  Reading it, I definitely realized that I was guilty of that attitude, &quot;just anyone, please,&quot; (though I have standards, because I am a little bit of a snob- sometimes snobbishness is self-preservation).  Now that I think I have something really good, I veer entirely the opposite direction, and I&#039;m expecting clamor and bidding wars... well, once my second readers get back to me.  The more realistic side of me is hoping that they provide an injection of reality and can make me slightly more rational about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very apt metaphor.  Reading it, I definitely realized that I was guilty of that attitude, &#8220;just anyone, please,&#8221; (though I have standards, because I am a little bit of a snob- sometimes snobbishness is self-preservation).  Now that I think I have something really good, I veer entirely the opposite direction, and I&#8217;m expecting clamor and bidding wars&#8230; well, once my second readers get back to me.  The more realistic side of me is hoping that they provide an injection of reality and can make me slightly more rational about things.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
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		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 18:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katya - I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t know how many clients a typical agent has; it&#039;s not something any of them seem to talk about much. I suspect that it also varies depending on how productive the clients are - if it&#039;s taking two or three years for each person to produce a novel, an agent could handle a lot more clients than if they&#039;ve got a bunch of people who&#039;re producing a novel every three to six months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katya &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t know how many clients a typical agent has; it&#8217;s not something any of them seem to talk about much. I suspect that it also varies depending on how productive the clients are &#8211; if it&#8217;s taking two or three years for each person to produce a novel, an agent could handle a lot more clients than if they&#8217;ve got a bunch of people who&#8217;re producing a novel every three to six months.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know about how many authors the typical agent works for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know about how many authors the typical agent works for?</p>
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