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	<description>Patricia C. Wrede talks about writing</description>
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		<title>By: John Richard Albers</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-17811</link>
		<dc:creator>John Richard Albers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like it would be beneficial to establish timelines for each of the characters or factions in a story so no one has any implausible downtime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like it would be beneficial to establish timelines for each of the characters or factions in a story so no one has any implausible downtime.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanneke</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-4805</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I&#039;ll wait for these until the case and your contracts are resolved and they become legally available.
Your agent can just search on your name and/or words in the book titles in combination with &#039;ebook&#039;, and those moles pop up. The ones I named looked the most like legal bookstores, so I&#039;d consider them the most dangerous - people who wouldn&#039;t use bittorrents might easily buy there, thinking it was an ordinary ebookstore. 
Putting up a notice on your Cecy &amp; Kate and Enchanted Forest book-pages might still be sensible, on the lines of &#039;We&#039;re working on the ebookrights for these books. No legal ebooks are available as yet, but as soon as they are I&#039;ll post it here. Please be patient and don&#039;t send my income to the pirates.&#039;. It could warn off some honest fans from false shopsites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I&#8217;ll wait for these until the case and your contracts are resolved and they become legally available.<br />
Your agent can just search on your name and/or words in the book titles in combination with &#8216;ebook&#8217;, and those moles pop up. The ones I named looked the most like legal bookstores, so I&#8217;d consider them the most dangerous &#8211; people who wouldn&#8217;t use bittorrents might easily buy there, thinking it was an ordinary ebookstore.<br />
Putting up a notice on your Cecy &amp; Kate and Enchanted Forest book-pages might still be sensible, on the lines of &#8216;We&#8217;re working on the ebookrights for these books. No legal ebooks are available as yet, but as soon as they are I&#8217;ll post it here. Please be patient and don&#8217;t send my income to the pirates.&#8217;. It could warn off some honest fans from false shopsites.</p>
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		<title>By: pcwrede</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-4804</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwrede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiana - If I&#039;m going to criticize a book for having craft problems, I almost never name it without the author&#039;s excpress permission, and in fact I do what I can to disguise them (the actual subplots in the one I described involved action, romance, etc. but I changed the details), because when the book is out in print, it&#039;s too late for the author to do anything to change it.

Jane - Yeah, we&#039;re called &quot;writers.&quot; Gong back and forth is one of many and several types of process, and as long as it ends up with words getting written, it&#039;s nothing to worry about. Complain, sure - I think every writer I know, whatever their process, is convinced that if they only look hard enough, they can find an easier way to do things than whatever they&#039;re stuck with.

Hanneke - Neither the Enchanted Forest books nor the Kate and Cecy books currently have any legal ebooks available. There are, however a set of fantastic audiobooks from Random House/Listening Library that I&#039;m pretty sure are available for legal downloading (they cast all the voices, so it&#039;s like listening to a radio play!). There&#039;s currently a court case over books with older contracts that don&#039;t mention electronic rights; once it&#039;s settled, we&#039;ll know more about what we can and cannot do. All my other books either had the rights reverted, so we could do our own ebooks (the Lyra books), or were reverted and resold with new contracts that do include electronic rights, or the publisher came back with an addendum to the contract for electronic rights, so they&#039;re all available from Amazon, B&amp;N, Itunes, and other obvious legal websites..

I&#039;ll pass the names on to my agent, but really, dealing with pirated copies is like playing whack-a-mole - you smack one down and another one pops right up somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiana &#8211; If I&#8217;m going to criticize a book for having craft problems, I almost never name it without the author&#8217;s excpress permission, and in fact I do what I can to disguise them (the actual subplots in the one I described involved action, romance, etc. but I changed the details), because when the book is out in print, it&#8217;s too late for the author to do anything to change it.</p>
<p>Jane &#8211; Yeah, we&#8217;re called &#8220;writers.&#8221; Gong back and forth is one of many and several types of process, and as long as it ends up with words getting written, it&#8217;s nothing to worry about. Complain, sure &#8211; I think every writer I know, whatever their process, is convinced that if they only look hard enough, they can find an easier way to do things than whatever they&#8217;re stuck with.</p>
<p>Hanneke &#8211; Neither the Enchanted Forest books nor the Kate and Cecy books currently have any legal ebooks available. There are, however a set of fantastic audiobooks from Random House/Listening Library that I&#8217;m pretty sure are available for legal downloading (they cast all the voices, so it&#8217;s like listening to a radio play!). There&#8217;s currently a court case over books with older contracts that don&#8217;t mention electronic rights; once it&#8217;s settled, we&#8217;ll know more about what we can and cannot do. All my other books either had the rights reverted, so we could do our own ebooks (the Lyra books), or were reverted and resold with new contracts that do include electronic rights, or the publisher came back with an addendum to the contract for electronic rights, so they&#8217;re all available from Amazon, B&#038;N, Itunes, and other obvious legal websites..</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pass the names on to my agent, but really, dealing with pirated copies is like playing whack-a-mole &#8211; you smack one down and another one pops right up somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanneke</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-4803</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic: have you any idea whether your Enchanted Forest books are legally available as e-books? And the same question for &lt;i&gt;Sorcery and Cecilia&lt;/i&gt; and its sequels?
If yes, do you know where a European (Dutchwoman, to be precise) could buy them, or which publisher I should approach with this question?

I&#039;ve just been given an e-reader, and am now trying to re-buy all my favourites as e-books as fast as my purse will permit. 
Kobobooks appears to be the e-bookstore of choice for several large publishing houses, (among them Penguin and DAW, HarperCollins and Scholastic) to sell their epub- or pdf-books to European buyers, and I&#039;ve found your Lyra books there, as well as &lt;i&gt;The 7 towers&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Thirteenth child&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Snow white and Rose red&lt;/i&gt;.
But the Enchanted forest books, as well as the &lt;i&gt;Sorcery and Cecilia&lt;/i&gt; books, aren&#039;t available there.

I googled &#039;Dealing with Dragons ebook&#039; and found a lot of places that appear to offer downloads, e.g. epubbud, and store.payloadz - com, but I wasn&#039;t sure these are legal stores that pay you. I will not buy from pirates, but some of these sites looked like real shops, so I&#039;m getting confused. 
Looking for &#039;Sorcery and Cecilia ebook&#039; also netted a lot of download sites, but most of those were more clearly illegal torrents: the one that looked as if it might be legal was filestube - com: is that a legal outlet for your books, or is it a pirate too? 
It might be worthwhile to get your agent onto this, get her to warn the publishers to send them cease-and-desist orders or whatever they are called.

Also, if you know or can easily find out which e-stores sell your ebooks legally, you might consider naming them, or linking to them, on your Books-pages on your website.
That way, anyone who finds your website, wants to buy your e-books and wants to make sure the income goes to the right person will be steered in the right direction.

For paper books, I understand not wanting to privilege one shop above another, and so naming none. Besides, any bricks-and-mortar store can order in your paper books for their customers, from all over the world. 

But for ebooks, the stores (and the publishers) seem to be intent on setting up a monopolist structuring of the ebook-market. There are only a few legal e-book stores that the publishers deal with, and each store seems limited to one or a very few formats, and customers are limited to the store in their region. This means that the list of legal places where people can buy your ebooks is probably short enough that it&#039;s possible to name them on the books&#039; pages, without slighting anyone.

Sorry to bother you with this, I know it should be mailed to your agent or publisher, but I can&#039;t find out where to send it to.
I&#039;m just a reader who enjoys your books, not a writer, so I don&#039;t know my way around this whole writer&#039;s business world.
If you want to &#039;moderate&#039; it off this thread, please do so: I named the pirates as a warning to your loyal readers and fans, but if you think they might go there and buy from them you wouldn&#039;t want the names in a public forum.
Maybe you could mail it on to your agent to look into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic: have you any idea whether your Enchanted Forest books are legally available as e-books? And the same question for <i>Sorcery and Cecilia</i> and its sequels?<br />
If yes, do you know where a European (Dutchwoman, to be precise) could buy them, or which publisher I should approach with this question?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just been given an e-reader, and am now trying to re-buy all my favourites as e-books as fast as my purse will permit.<br />
Kobobooks appears to be the e-bookstore of choice for several large publishing houses, (among them Penguin and DAW, HarperCollins and Scholastic) to sell their epub- or pdf-books to European buyers, and I&#8217;ve found your Lyra books there, as well as <i>The 7 towers</i>, <i>Thirteenth child</i> and <i>Snow white and Rose red</i>.<br />
But the Enchanted forest books, as well as the <i>Sorcery and Cecilia</i> books, aren&#8217;t available there.</p>
<p>I googled &#8216;Dealing with Dragons ebook&#8217; and found a lot of places that appear to offer downloads, e.g. epubbud, and store.payloadz &#8211; com, but I wasn&#8217;t sure these are legal stores that pay you. I will not buy from pirates, but some of these sites looked like real shops, so I&#8217;m getting confused.<br />
Looking for &#8216;Sorcery and Cecilia ebook&#8217; also netted a lot of download sites, but most of those were more clearly illegal torrents: the one that looked as if it might be legal was filestube &#8211; com: is that a legal outlet for your books, or is it a pirate too?<br />
It might be worthwhile to get your agent onto this, get her to warn the publishers to send them cease-and-desist orders or whatever they are called.</p>
<p>Also, if you know or can easily find out which e-stores sell your ebooks legally, you might consider naming them, or linking to them, on your Books-pages on your website.<br />
That way, anyone who finds your website, wants to buy your e-books and wants to make sure the income goes to the right person will be steered in the right direction.</p>
<p>For paper books, I understand not wanting to privilege one shop above another, and so naming none. Besides, any bricks-and-mortar store can order in your paper books for their customers, from all over the world. </p>
<p>But for ebooks, the stores (and the publishers) seem to be intent on setting up a monopolist structuring of the ebook-market. There are only a few legal e-book stores that the publishers deal with, and each store seems limited to one or a very few formats, and customers are limited to the store in their region. This means that the list of legal places where people can buy your ebooks is probably short enough that it&#8217;s possible to name them on the books&#8217; pages, without slighting anyone.</p>
<p>Sorry to bother you with this, I know it should be mailed to your agent or publisher, but I can&#8217;t find out where to send it to.<br />
I&#8217;m just a reader who enjoys your books, not a writer, so I don&#8217;t know my way around this whole writer&#8217;s business world.<br />
If you want to &#8216;moderate&#8217; it off this thread, please do so: I named the pirates as a warning to your loyal readers and fans, but if you think they might go there and buy from them you wouldn&#8217;t want the names in a public forum.<br />
Maybe you could mail it on to your agent to look into?</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Sunday, hurry up and come! I need that advice.  I&#039;m currently doing a sort of retroactive outlining in an effort to keep my current work, which has four POV characters and subplots that I have to beat back with a stick, coherent. 

Is there a term (other than wishy-washy) for those of us who go back and forth between pantsing and outlining?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Sunday, hurry up and come! I need that advice.  I&#8217;m currently doing a sort of retroactive outlining in an effort to keep my current work, which has four POV characters and subplots that I have to beat back with a stick, coherent. </p>
<p>Is there a term (other than wishy-washy) for those of us who go back and forth between pantsing and outlining?</p>
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		<title>By: Tiana Smith</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-4786</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiana Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a very involved story to have that much going on. I&#039;d be interested to know what book it was. 

I used to not mind when books left off with a major cliff hanger, but the more I read, the more it bothers me. Usually it&#039;s because the author hasn&#039;t figured out how to write a balanced arc. I hate when a book has nothing going on, nothing, nothing, nothing, and then finally there&#039;s some action and some build up and ... then the book ends. GRRRR! Rather than entice me to read the next book, this just makes me avoid reading books by that author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a very involved story to have that much going on. I&#8217;d be interested to know what book it was. </p>
<p>I used to not mind when books left off with a major cliff hanger, but the more I read, the more it bothers me. Usually it&#8217;s because the author hasn&#8217;t figured out how to write a balanced arc. I hate when a book has nothing going on, nothing, nothing, nothing, and then finally there&#8217;s some action and some build up and &#8230; then the book ends. GRRRR! Rather than entice me to read the next book, this just makes me avoid reading books by that author.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://pcwrede.com/blog/weaving-plot-threads/comment-page-1/#comment-4785</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 11:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear your computer problems have been resolved. I think weaving in information about subplots at the right time can be challenging. One of the things I did when revising my novel was to look at each character&#039;s story (the main character and some of the secondary but important characters) to see where they could intersect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear your computer problems have been resolved. I think weaving in information about subplots at the right time can be challenging. One of the things I did when revising my novel was to look at each character&#8217;s story (the main character and some of the secondary but important characters) to see where they could intersect.</p>
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